LLI 53 From Anxiety to Curiosity: Shifting the Ground of Expectation

Show notes

Are you driven by anticipation or anxiety? Can you lead from a place of neutrality rather than pressure or excitement?

This episode dives into the emotional spectrum between anxiety and excitement, revealing how curiosity becomes a transformative middle ground. From there, we explore how self-leadership emerges not from striving for immediate results but from relaxing into the process—whether in love, business, or creative life.

We also uncover the misunderstood power of aggression—not as violence, but as the energetic force necessary for commitment and follow-through. This is an invitation to build from a more integrated self, one that doesn’t deny complexity, but leads with awareness.

Join us as we reflect, get our hands metaphorically dirty, and explore what it truly means to expect, lead, and love louder.

Show transcript

00:00:00: What is your baseline of expectation?

00:00:04: Are you more inclined to expecting something bad to happen?

00:00:10: Or are you more inclined to expecting something good to happen?

00:00:14: This is iteration number 53 of the Love Louder podcast.

00:00:18: Iterations aren't becoming human. It doesn't matter.

00:00:22: Of course, we can dive into and escape into that.

00:00:27: But concepts of good and bad are human made.

00:00:31: Yet at the same time we work for it.

00:00:34: It doesn't matter how much we say that this is all like a concept.

00:00:38: And truth is there is everything equal.

00:00:43: I want to work with you where we are.

00:00:48: So let's dig deeper. Let's get our hands dirty.

00:00:55: It's very simple. Let's use some definitions here.

00:00:58: So we start at the same point.

00:01:01: When you pair expectation with something good to happen for you,

00:01:07: this is anticipation.

00:01:10: You get excited.

00:01:13: You get curious too.

00:01:16: You get activated in your body, your eyes open,

00:01:20: you're really like, agitated in a way that mostly feels pleasant to us.

00:01:27: If you pair, on the other hand, expectation with something bad happening to you,

00:01:33: well, this is called anxiety.

00:01:36: It's very, very simple.

00:01:39: So if you expect something to go wrong,

00:01:42: if you expect something to just not work out,

00:01:47: you get anxious already in the moment.

00:01:49: You're thinking of that without it happening.

00:01:52: So you get tense.

00:01:54: You close your body, you close your heart.

00:01:57: You will not be as open up for opportunities as you would be from a neutral state.

00:02:03: From an excited state even.

00:02:08: And here's the thing. Both of it.

00:02:11: Expectation, no matter what, if it's anxiety,

00:02:15: or if it's anticipation, it blurs our perception.

00:02:23: And I found that the best place I could find my decisions

00:02:31: was a neutral space.

00:02:39: Because the expectation of something good to happen,

00:02:43: let's say the excitement, it is like a wave.

00:02:47: It can flow through you and then it will ebb again.

00:02:52: Sometimes it floods you and then it will ebb again.

00:02:55: It's same as with anxiety.

00:02:58: Now, that's where our decisions very often change.

00:03:03: And sometimes it's just good to take quick action, to take the decision

00:03:06: and to not stay in the limbo of should I or should I not.

00:03:10: Because this is very often it is not the space of indecisive minutes,

00:03:15: the space of anxiety.

00:03:17: Because we're not sure we want to take the best decision.

00:03:20: We want to make it right.

00:03:22: Like from the beginning on, instead of we choose,

00:03:26: we us choosing the iterative process.

00:03:30: And I want this podcast and this here to model it,

00:03:35: to be in it together, to encourage you to spark that idea,

00:03:43: to offer to you that there is a way of not having to have the result right at hand.

00:03:51: And I realized after recording the episode of yesterday

00:03:56: where I contemplated on building from excitement,

00:04:01: getting more concrete from excitement, it can be a way.

00:04:07: And I realized because of course, just a few hours went by,

00:04:13: excitement even is not a state that we can keep for as a constant state.

00:04:21: It is not constant. It is changing.

00:04:23: We cannot bear it actually.

00:04:25: How much pleasure can we bear?

00:04:27: So it needs to change. Either we get more excited or it ebbs.

00:04:31: So for me, it was more calming down, getting to a neutral ground.

00:04:37: And then I found something else.

00:04:39: It's building from curiosity.

00:04:42: And I do not have to be excited to be curious.

00:04:46: But I got excited again by leaning into curiosity,

00:04:53: by wanting to find out what will come if I lean into the next step.

00:05:00: So here's what change is coming up

00:05:04: and what we will experience through the next iterations.

00:05:08: It's getting more concrete.

00:05:10: It's leaning more into tying relationship and business together in this podcast.

00:05:15: And how the themes that are here very present in our episodes,

00:05:26: how they translate in these areas of life.

00:05:31: I want this to be a space for you to plug in,

00:05:37: to find your own leadership again, to lead yourself.

00:05:42: It's a place of leadership, of self-leadership and of love.

00:05:48: We want to explore what it looks like in love and in business.

00:05:53: We want to explore what it looks like when we lean into love more

00:06:03: and also not denying aggression but taking this one as a power in us.

00:06:14: And aggression not in an aggressive way,

00:06:19: because not in a violent way, better to say,

00:06:24: because we do all have aggression in us.

00:06:27: Here's the thing, very often we want peace,

00:06:30: we strive for love and for happiness and for harmony,

00:06:34: yet we deny what we think it opposes, is opposed by it,

00:06:43: which is aggression, which is anger.

00:06:46: But at the same time, these are part of our power

00:06:51: because we need some kind of aggression to take a decision

00:06:56: and just to follow through and get things done.

00:06:59: It is part of our life too, so when we start denying it,

00:07:04: We start making ourselves smaller.

00:07:07: We start depriving us from our potential.

00:07:13: We start creating friction.

00:07:16: And this is what this is about, to remove the friction.

00:07:20: So we're removing friction right now.

00:07:22: We're leaning into being curious what happens when we study love in business,

00:07:28: when we study how leadership and love looks like.

00:07:34: When we look at how a business can be built

00:07:41: from a place that is not connected directly to the results,

00:07:49: not connected directly to time, and this is very unconventional.

00:07:55: Because very often we feel the pressure that builds up

00:08:01: not from outside necessarily, but inside ourselves.

00:08:05: And we try to push it away.

00:08:07: We try to attack the goal that we're having.

00:08:11: We've said in our business that we've said for revenue

00:08:15: that we've said to build to be successful.

00:08:18: Yet the truth is, or the reality is, it does take power.

00:08:25: It does take aggressive force, but not in a violent way.

00:08:30: We're saying violent because very often it means that we direct the violence against ourselves.

00:08:36: So we try to do something that we find is not aligned with us.

00:08:42: And it does not mean that you do not have to try things out.

00:08:45: We have to try things out.

00:08:47: We have to really lean into them for a while.

00:08:51: And then we can make an informed decision to say,

00:08:55: "Well, this is not for me."

00:08:57: When you start beforehand and say, "Well, this is not for me.

00:09:00: I'm not going to do this."

00:09:01: You will never find out.

00:09:02: This is where curiosity comes into play again.

00:09:05: So we're using curiosity and we're using play.

00:09:12: And while it's never, it's not always like explicitly mentioned.

00:09:16: I want this to be the baseline of this podcast.

00:09:19: I want this to be grounded in here.

00:09:21: Sometimes we have to remind ourselves, especially when we get our hands in the dirt,

00:09:30: when we get to translate what we got as insights into what we're actually creating, doing, being in the world.

00:09:45: So in this case, building a business, in this case, being a business owner,

00:09:51: in this case, being in partnership, or a single event and looking for a partnership.

00:09:57: Because as soon as it gets more concrete, sometimes we just forget it all.

00:10:03: We just forget it all.

00:10:04: We fall into the habits of our own mind, into the drama, into what is very known to us, even if we know better.

00:10:11: And that's where the drama again starts.

00:10:13: It's the metadrama.

00:10:15: So I want this place to be something to plug into, to remind ourselves that things get to be much more simpler,

00:10:28: or much more simplified than we make them.

00:10:33: It does not mean that it's always easy.

00:10:36: No, not at all.

00:10:38: This is what leadership is about to be facing the challenges that we're giving.

00:10:49: And for us right now, it's relaxing into the challenge.

00:10:56: It's relaxing our body.

00:10:58: It's finding out what it means to tie relationship and business together with leadership, with self-leadership,

00:11:05: with mastering your mind and how it translates into our life.

00:11:10: So I have offered you very much a lens here to look through.

00:11:16: Let's dive deeper into it.

00:11:19: Let's see where the lens can shine on.

00:11:23: And this is going to be a case study in itself.

00:11:30: When we go back, we will see that there are steps and leaps and loops.

00:11:39: And everything that makes us human, because we do not, very often we do not get it right from the very start, from the very beginning.

00:11:47: So to try to do it right from the very start, from the beginning, it's just creating friction.

00:11:55: It's just you refraining from diving into what is given to you.

00:12:02: It is not devoting yourself.

00:12:05: It's not surrendering.

00:12:07: It is the misconception that we can do it, that we alone are responsible for whatever comes out, which is not the case.

00:12:16: We can train our responsibility.

00:12:19: We can embrace our responsibility, not in the usual sense, but in being able to respond.

00:12:30: I want this for you to be a reminder that you are able to respond, that you do not have to stay stuck.

00:12:38: And if you forget, then try to remember that you can come back here.

00:12:45: And you will see that I get stuck too, and we will see that we're in this together, and it will not be that bad.

00:12:52: It will okay.

00:12:57: And that is where we start dissolving anxiety, where we start changing our expectations.

00:13:09: With something bad to happen, to changing to expectation that there is something to happen, and that is curiosity.

00:13:20: And sometimes we will fall into, "Wow, maybe there's something good in it for me, and it will be excitement."

00:13:29: But for us, we want to move first from expectation, plus something is going to happen.

00:13:38: Let's see what my part of the equation is.

00:13:42: Let's get curious what this is going to mean.

00:13:48: And I promise you, this too is a leap for me.

00:13:53: So let's find out together.

00:13:56: This is the Love Louder podcast, iterations on becoming human.

00:14:02: Love a little louder.

00:14:05: Here you soon, Shang.

00:14:08: [BLANK_AUDIO]

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