LLI 38 When There’s Nothing, You Chill: Trusting Through Uncertainty

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In this episode of Love Louder: Iterations on Becoming Human, Sang shares a story from her time as an air traffic controller—where the hardest action was inaction. We explore the obsessive need for control, the tension of waiting, and what it means to trust ourselves, others, and life in moments of uncertainty. This is a story about leadership, stillness, and the human desire to fix, move, act—and how liberation may lie in choosing to simply chill.

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Show transcript

00:00:00: The human mind is obsessed with control.

00:00:04: It is obsessed with securing your safety, your belonging.

00:00:12: It is obsessed with predicting, with finding causalities,

00:00:17: just to have the overview of over what is happening.

00:00:21: Well, you know that very well.

00:00:24: That is very often an illusion.

00:00:29: We are at iteration number 38 of the Love Louder podcast,

00:00:35: and his story from my career as an air-trippy controller.

00:00:42: I was sitting with my colleague in the evening shift.

00:00:47: It was close to the end of our shift, so we were quite relaxed.

00:00:53: Still, it was a thunderstorm in our area, near our area,

00:00:59: that meant increased workload,

00:01:02: but it was okay because we already had found our float work through it.

00:01:09: Now, what it also means is an increased amount of deviation

00:01:15: from the flight path of the airplanes, and turbulence,

00:01:21: and anything that could not be predicted.

00:01:25: As you know, the weather is not able,

00:01:29: we are not able to really predict the weather in a 100% case of being right.

00:01:36: Again, he shows control already.

00:01:39: So there's this aircraft showing up from an airliner,

00:01:42: and he reports turbulence.

00:01:45: He wants to change flight levels,

00:01:47: and he cannot say, "We cannot change yet.

00:01:50: Please wait two minutes, and then I'll give you a descent."

00:01:54: In phraseology of an air-trippy controller.

00:01:58: So it takes just a few more seconds,

00:02:01: and he says, "We need to descend now.

00:02:04: Severe turbulence."

00:02:06: Now, this is ringing all alarms in our heads.

00:02:09: My colleague too, because she heard it via the speaker.

00:02:13: What it means is, "Severe turbulence might cause icing on the wings of the aircraft.

00:02:20: It might then cause the disturbance of the airflow around the plane,

00:02:26: and because of that, the lift can break."

00:02:30: So what it just means is this plane has to get out of the severe turbulence

00:02:38: because the pilot might lose control over his aircraft and over the controls.

00:02:44: Okay, so there's still another aircraft crossing,

00:02:48: just very close, not yet below, but 2,000 feet below,

00:02:54: and approaching in about four minutes.

00:02:58: I had to decide now, and I decided to give him the turn,

00:03:02: to turn him away, to give him the descent.

00:03:05: My colleague needed to call the other sector to tell them to turn their aircraft

00:03:10: because it was not on my frequency in their sector,

00:03:13: because my aircraft was not in my sector.

00:03:17: So we had to take a lot of explosive action.

00:03:24: So there were many people involved.

00:03:28: The pilot from this aircraft, I was responsible for me, my colleague,

00:03:33: the other colleague, then of course the other aircraft,

00:03:37: and everything had to fall into place in a very immediate way,

00:03:43: in a very expeditious and efficient way,

00:03:46: to get them out of their ways while securing that they will be able to fly their plane

00:03:55: and that they will get out of each other's way.

00:04:00: When we did the calls, I talked to the pilot, I pointed him out the traffic,

00:04:05: I gave the traffic information, which was,

00:04:08: "Hey, look out in your 10 o'clock from left to right crossing,

00:04:12: by now by one mile, Ebbe Street 2-0,

00:04:16: look out 2,000 feet below right now, you're descending through his level."

00:04:21: And for the other aircraft as well, the other colleague did it.

00:04:24: And then there came, that was not the hard part,

00:04:27: but then came the hardest part.

00:04:31: It was waiting.

00:04:35: Waiting for the blips to change their direction,

00:04:43: for the label that displayed their altitude to change accordingly,

00:04:50: and for those little squares that represented the aircraft and 150 people in each,

00:05:02: to make their turn away from each other,

00:05:08: from that converging track to change to a diverging track.

00:05:14: And it took an eternity, felt.

00:05:19: So I was looking at the screen, I was pointing out the traffic,

00:05:23: my colleague looked out the screen, telephone on her ear,

00:05:30: with the other colleague in contact, and they passed.

00:05:44: We could not do anything, then wait and stay.

00:05:49: And that's probably the hardest thing for an air traffic controller to do,

00:05:54: to not take action, to not snap into the next plan,

00:05:59: to not have the plan B, this plan C ready, the plan D ready,

00:06:03: to wait for the plan that is set up that we decided for to play out,

00:06:12: and trust in the ability of any other member,

00:06:19: and any other person and machine involved to do their job.

00:06:30: Now, do you recognize that from your life too?

00:06:35: Because it's not only hard for someone who trained for it professionally on the radar

00:06:41: to have control, it is also very often found for us in our life.

00:06:51: How we go about life, because we want to know the information.

00:06:55: That's one of the top three things we crave as human beings,

00:06:59: as information, as entertainment, as belonging.

00:07:04: And we try to control our supply for that, to secure it for that.

00:07:11: So, if we do not have a lot of information, we want to ask, we get curious,

00:07:17: we go into the internet, we read the news, we talk to other people.

00:07:22: If we crave for connection, we go outside, we ask a friend,

00:07:27: we talk to our colleagues, and even if we find ourselves being in a mood

00:07:33: of not being very sociable, there will come a time that we actually have to interact

00:07:38: just out of a need, because the human needs connection.

00:07:52: And then if we're not entertained, we'll watch a movie,

00:07:56: we'll stream online music, we'll go into the internet

00:08:01: and dive into the rabbit hole of entertainment.

00:08:04: That is a very vast space there.

00:08:09: And we try to control it, because what happens when we lose that internet connection, for example?

00:08:16: What happens when our phone breaks?

00:08:19: What happens if the Wi-Fi doesn't work when we come to a place

00:08:24: where the Wi-Fi does not work, or they have none?

00:08:28: We get mad, we get curious, we get asked, we get asking around the neighborhood

00:08:34: where we could get access to Wi-Fi.

00:08:37: How long can we actually spend without that internet connection?

00:08:42: Nowadays, it's internet, because it supplies us so much with information, entertainment, and connection.

00:08:49: And we get distracted by that.

00:08:58: That's the hardest thing for us to stay in a situation and trust and let it be,

00:09:08: and know if we have not cultivated it, at least intellectually, that everything is taken care of.

00:09:17: And not jump into that motive, "But I have to do this, but I have to do this, I want to do this."

00:09:25: For human beings, it feels more comfortable to jump into action, actually, than to stay with whatever there is.

00:09:33: There are studies about when you get into the traffic jam, and while on, let's say,

00:09:43: you would measure the distance and the time from cameras and surveillance,

00:09:48: and it would make more sense to just stay in the traffic jam, move very slowly,

00:09:53: or just stay there and get stuck in part, and then move like how the whole thing of cars moves.

00:10:03: It would be easier, first of all, and it would be quicker than to take a detour.

00:10:08: Now, what we do is we take the next detour and then we get into another traffic jam,

00:10:13: and in the end it takes longer.

00:10:15: But it feels better for our nervous system, for our human, because we are actually moving.

00:10:22: We think that we can do something about it.

00:10:24: We think we control the situation by deciding that we have to leave it now.

00:10:28: So that's one of the two notions that we get.

00:10:32: Either we try to avoid it, we try to repress what there is, to hide, to run,

00:10:39: or we get aggressive, we get attacking, that's saying we get into action.

00:10:53: Now, what about staying?

00:10:56: What about relaxing into the situation?

00:11:02: Because what?

00:11:04: True leadership, the best decisions are made from a relaxed state.

00:11:10: The one who is most relaxed, he's the leader in a group,

00:11:15: and it doesn't matter who it is formally.

00:11:22: Because then, from a neutral space, from a relaxed space,

00:11:27: we are able to see all the possibilities, we are open to ideas coming in.

00:11:36: And we do not fall victim to our own reactive patterns, which are either fight or flight,

00:11:45: either avoid, repress or attack, or aggress.

00:11:54: Because then, when we're in this neutral space, we are open for true connection, because we're

00:12:04: not caught up in ourselves.

00:12:06: It's that what I understand under erotic leadership, because it opens the place for real intimacy

00:12:16: also with the pain, also with the need and the urgency that is there, just without being

00:12:23: absorbed by it.

00:12:26: Because you can relax into your body, you can relax your muscles.

00:12:30: And when you relax your muscles, it's going to tell your brain that it's okay, we're

00:12:36: experiencing a very urgent situation here, yet we can relax into it to breathe out.

00:12:51: Because anytime we experience that fear, that stress in a negative way, that one that agitates

00:13:04: us into going into action or freezing, we breathe in, we breathe in, we breathe in,

00:13:10: we inhale, we inhale, but we forget to exhale.

00:13:21: There's a huge misconception around facing your demons and facing your shadows around.

00:13:28: For someone, for some people, it means to heal your traumas, to dig deeply in what went

00:13:35: wrong in your past, to dig deeply in what might be hidden in, let's say, in the cellar

00:13:44: of your very own house, to find out that you're not worthy or why you're not worthy or where

00:13:54: you picked it up to believe, "Well, this can be work that is supporting for you.

00:13:59: We can also get obsessed by it."

00:14:01: Because what?

00:14:02: The drama is fascinating.

00:14:05: We are fascinated by the drama.

00:14:07: We are fascinated in movies, in the theater, when there is drama.

00:14:14: And if there wouldn't be drama, we would not go there.

00:14:19: It would be boring for us, wouldn't it?

00:14:26: So we can be fascinated with our own drama as well and just get caught up without noticing

00:14:32: it.

00:14:32: And eventually, either way, we get into the rabbit hole, we find one drama, then the next

00:14:45: one, then the next one, then the next one.

00:14:47: And we can use them as stepstones for our evolution too, for the change of our human

00:14:52: being when there will be a point that you might find out that, "Oh, the more I dig,

00:15:01: the more I'll find."

00:15:05: If you're searching for something, you'll find it.

00:15:07: If you're searching for drama, you'll find it.

00:15:11: A test can only test what the test tests.

00:15:15: The test tests.

00:15:18: You know, when you have your focus on a certain area, you will expand this area.

00:15:24: Now, if you search for truth, truth will find you.

00:15:26: It's the same exact thing.

00:15:28: It just depends on how you use your brain.

00:15:33: You use your brain and then you let go of it.

00:15:36: You just acknowledge the patterns of it without digging deep.

00:15:40: You can relax your muscles, your physical muscles without questioning where that feeling

00:15:46: came from, why it built up, what happened to it, what led to it, who was involved, what

00:15:52: your role was in this whole play.

00:15:56: You can only observe that there's tension building up in your body and then you can

00:16:09: relax the muscles.

00:16:12: It's easier said than done.

00:16:14: I know because that's our tendency as a human being.

00:16:18: Now, what I learned as an air traffic controller in that 10-year career was to relax.

00:16:26: That's the main thing, to chill.

00:16:29: There was this situation when I was still a trainee on board, relatively new, and I had

00:16:36: my coach by my side.

00:16:38: And then I was waiting for the next traffic to come on frequency.

00:16:43: I was preparing the plans and there was not much traffic there to expect in that traffic

00:16:50: situation.

00:16:51: Yet I just was there all hunched over, just crawling into the radar screen wanting to

00:16:58: know what comes next.

00:17:00: And my coach just leaned back and said, "Shang, when there's nothing, you chill."

00:17:09: Ah, okay.

00:17:16: So I let go of the tension.

00:17:18: It relaxed me immediately because it was all in my mind, the expectation of the tension

00:17:26: of the work to come.

00:17:30: And that's how we started off first.

00:17:32: We worked without expectations and then we will be able to relax in the situations themselves

00:17:38: while being active.

00:17:46: And it's not that it's only at our workplace like that, we can easily, easily, not so easy,

00:17:57: but simply just transferred to other areas of our life too, in our relationship.

00:18:03: What is it what we're working with, a worry that we anticipate, that is to come, or a

00:18:09: past event that happened that we're still dragging with us, building up the tension

00:18:15: in our shoulders very often, in our jaws, in our hips, clenched fists, rounded shoulders.

00:18:28: Do we want to hide?

00:18:31: You can scan your body right now, right in this moment when you're listening.

00:18:37: Where's tension that you can let go without asking?

00:18:40: What came from?

00:18:41: Just let it go.

00:18:42: And you do that by just putting your awareness onto it.

00:18:47: And you can feel that the muscles melt already, don't you?

00:19:01: The most uncomfortable place for everyone is this uncertainty that we find ourselves in

00:19:10: when we do not know what to do.

00:19:17: Either we do not know right from the first place, or we do not know because we've tried

00:19:27: everything we know, and it's not because there is a solution we have to find, or that needs

00:19:40: to be found by us, it's because we're not very good at sitting with uncertainty.

00:19:49: Well, this exactly is the essence of our lives, the uncertainty that everything changes that

00:19:58: you one day will say, "I could not believe I did that.

00:20:02: I could not imagine the life I'm living right now."

00:20:08: That is uncertainty and it's hard for us to sit with it in the moment.

00:20:16: It's easier to look back and say, "Well, that was a point I didn't know.

00:20:24: Now can we lean into this not knowing and relax our body?"

00:20:33: That is the golden question.

00:20:42: And I know very well as you that this is hard, that we want to find solutions, that we think

00:20:50: we need to work for happiness, that we need to earn, that we need to do an action to have

00:21:00: a certain outcome.

00:21:02: Well, it is true for the realm of business, for the realm of yes, you need to take out

00:21:12: the dishes from the dishwasher and then you will find the dishwasher empty.

00:21:19: But it can also be that you just leave it there and then someone else will just pick

00:21:23: it out or it's going to get broken and you go out eating.

00:21:35: That's all solutions.

00:21:36: We do not have possibilities and ideas we cannot see when we find ourselves in a reactive

00:21:43: moment.

00:21:46: That's when we leave our true leadership, that is erotic, that is intimate, that is

00:21:53: in connection to everything because we are everything.

00:22:04: So there is no connection even needed.

00:22:18: Okay, I'll leave it for this today.

00:22:24: My invitation to you, let it sink.

00:22:26: That was a little bit intense.

00:22:30: And I don't believe that we get any deeper than that than the human fear of that uncertainty.

00:22:44: There is nothing that I know of that scares us most, that scares me most.

00:22:52: And if you know, tell me and for now just let's sit with it together.

00:23:01: Love, Vauda.

00:23:06: Lots of love to you.

00:23:09: Shine.

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